It is doable, seriously it is
I hope so. I got off to a good start today, word-count-wise, today. So, it would be immensely satisfying if I made it.
Thanks for the support!! <3
Bahahaha well…at least you’re still writing yours! ;)
Just need about 1500 words a day to make the draft deadline properly…
Two weeks before the draft deadline and I decide I need to start a completely new story. -rolls eyes at self-
Du Hast!! I like me some Rammstein :)
Rammstein are the best when you are utterly done with things :D
I was tagged by yaelstiel - the Playlist game :)
«YOU CAN TELL A LOT ABOUT SOMEONE BY THE TYPE OF MUSIC THEY LISTEN TO. HIT SHUFFLE ON YOUR IPOD, PHONE, ITUNES, MEDIA PLAYER ETC AND WRITE DOWN THE FIRST 20 SONGS. HERE ARE THE RULES: NO SKIPPING! BE HONEST! THEN PASS THIS ON TO 10 PEOPLE!»
Do you think end!verse will actually happen in any way?
I’ve always seen End!verse as a possible future that Zachariah showed Dean to get him to consent to be Michael’s Sword, anon, as one of many possible futures that could happen. As soon as the Winchesters tore up the rulebook and Swan Song happened, the possibility of Zachariah’s End!verse disappeared, in my opinion.
Having said that, I have absolutely adored the way that season 9 has thrown us end!verse references. Elements of 2014!Dean were paralleled through the Mark of Cain, Sam was possessed by an angel, and visuals reminiscent of The End were scattered throughout the episodes. And as we are approaching August 2014, the actual timing of The End, I doubt we have seen the last of those references. So, when you ask if I think that end!verse will happen in any way, then yes, I believe it actually is happening. It’s just happening in a completely different way than Zachariah envisioned.
Love your Lucifer/Zachariah answer. On a related note: Do you think Lucifer could have accepted a "yes" from Gary-in-Sam's-body in "Swap Meat"? Or would have? The other demon seemed to think so, but was that demon right?
You mean to tell me you’ve got Dean Winchester and Sam Winchester’s meat suit? An empty vessel just waiting to be filled. And you’re handing them both over to me? (x)
Looking at the Gadreel story-line, anon, the show has answered the question of whether it is possible for an angel to use a Vessel through someone else’s consent with a resounding yes. (Gosh, what a nice parallel by the way, given Gadreel was the one to let Lucifer into the Garden.) Different circumstances, sure, but I guess it shows that demon!Nora had the right of it. Sam wasn’t conscious in his body when Dean said yes to Gadreel, so I guess Gary could have done the same!
The problem I have is with whether Lucifer would have done this, though, because of the way that Gary came to be in Sam’s meatsuit in the first place. The demon obviously dismissed him as being unimportant, but I’m not so sure. The swap took place because of magic. Who knows what kinds of effects that could have had, you know?
Would a “yes” from Gary followed by possession have resulted in the spell being reversed and Lucifer being ejected by an even more pissed off Sam the way he ejected Gadreel once he realised he was in there? I doubt that on the verge of finally bringing about Armageddon, Lucifer would have been willing to take a chance with either being hurt through magic or with pissing off the one person whose consent he truly needed.
So could, anon, yes. Would….I doubt it!
Whoa,that was really cool! I had never thought about why Michael did what he did, but that makes so much sense!!
I had never thought about it till I got the ask either :D
Any other theories would be great, too! Would love to hear them. We’re kinda in headcanon territory here ;-)
I thought Sam was supposed to be the Anti-Christ? Where did that Jesse kid even come from?
In the early seasons, Sam’s role kept being described as the one to lead Lucifer’s army, the traditional role for the Anti-Christ, yes, anon, true, but he was never actually given that title. It turned out that the way Sam was supposed to do this was as Lucifer’s Vessel and in the Supernatural world the Anti-Christ, or “cambion” or “katako” needs to be born to a human and a demonic parent.
As Cas says in The Children Are Our Future
Your Bible gets more wrong than it does right. The antichrist is not Lucifer’s child. It’s just demon spawn.
Sam, for all the demonblood he has been fed, is not the direct offspring of a demon and a human. Therefore, textually as of 5x06, he can no longer be considered the Anti-Christ in any way.
Whether you consider it retconning or clever long-term plotting, anon, I’ll leave up to you, but for me, Jesse was a wonderful addition to the show’s mythology, not in the least because looking back at it through season 9 glasses, every reference to the actual story being different from what is written down makes me smile broad smiles of satisfaction. :D
It has been said that the Winchester bros will be in a "unique place" in their relationship season 10. We also know Sam will remove the demon warding from the impala. Plus there is a scene at the end of 10.3. so do you think Sam will encounter dean, learn he is a demon, removing the warding then let he go off on his own. Rather then it starting as dean off on his own? Also does this "unique place"mean Sam will be sympathetic/they will still try to work together regardless?
a late reply, and the part about Sam and Dean meeting again has already been addressed at SDCC, but I’ll still give you my 10 cents on the unique place :D
The unique place that the brothers are in refers, I believe, to the fact that they are pitted against each other for real this time. Even when the Apocalypse arc had them on opposite ends of the cosmic scale, it was their Vessels that were supposed to be on Heaven and Hell’s side, not Sam and Dean themselves. Now, though, Dean is the worst of the supernatural creatures and Sam a hunter. They truly are enemies in the Supernatural world.
What is also unique is that this is the exact opposite from how Sam and Dean have always been presented. Sam was the boy infected with demonblood, fearing to become one and slated to lead Lucifer’s army while Dean was the hunter set to stop him. What has come to pass is a Dean wearing the Mark of the leader of the Knights of Hell and Sam as a hunter.
What hasn’t changed is that they will both have to address the darkness inside them. And if the show is truly going to do this the way I think they are…well, that’ll be pretty unique for the Winchesters, too.
Do you think Lucifer really cared about Sam? I'm not talking about shipping. I mean in the way that Lucifer knew all through the eons that Sam would be the one to one day free him from his cage. He knew Sam would come along and be his true vessel. He spent all that time thinking of Sam and waiting for Sam. He said he would never lie to Sam, never trick him (unlike Zachariah but that's another question). For all his talk, all the care that he showed Sam Lucifer really did seem to care about him.
 Do you think he actually did, or was he just being the father of lies? Bonus question since I brought it up: What do you think of the fact that Zachariah lied and cheated his way to get Dean to say yes while Lucifer did none of that? He seemed to want Sam to come to him of his own volition all the while seeming caring and open? Bonus bonus question: Why do you think Michael couldn’t be bothered to procure his own vessel? Why do you think he delegated the job out to Zachariah?
It’s finally here, anon!!! Dry your tears and buckle up.
To me, the way Michael and Lucifer went about procuring their Vessels shows both the general nature of angels as portrayed on the show as well as the individual characteristics of the two archangels.
Lets start with Lucifer. What is the devil’s m.o.? How does he seduce people? By making them want. His first feat of seduction was making Adam and Eve want to eat the fruit of the forbidden tree. As a result innocence was lost and humanity was condemned to life outside Paradise. If we look at the way demons operate, nothing has changed. What is a crossroadsdeal but a consensual Fall from Grace, saying “yes” to the apple knowing the consequences.
The problem for Lucifer needing his Vessel is, of course, that the “yes” he needs from Sam is for himself and not because Sam wants anything from him. So, the devil tries to create a desire for Sam. Or rather, call Sam’s attention to the very thing that Lucifer himself whats so desperately: acceptance.
If you look at the way Lucifer tries to seduce Sam into saying yes, what stands out is the sense of purpose and belonging he creates for Sam; the way he twists Sam’s idea of fate into a personal desire. Sam never felt like he belonged on the road, tried to find a family at Stanford, is struggling with how his brother sees him, is struggling with the effects of addiction on his self-perception, etc. Sam’s internal struggle throughout Supernatural’s run has constantly been to accept himself and to be accepted as he is. Here Lucifer offers that very acceptance, that very idea that he is not a shunned freak, but desired and accepted. And with that, I think I also answered your first question whether I believe Lucifer cares for Sam the person or Sam the Vessel.
I fall firmly into the latter category. The level of care that I think you are referring to when asking about Lucifer caring for Sam the person, I don’t believe he can truly have without knowing Sam and without caring for the unique combination of wants, fears, strengths, weaknesses, etc. that make Sam Winchester Sam Winchester. While at times it appears that Lucifer understands Sam, really I see it more as Lucifer projecting his own issues onto the object he requires. (which is a sentence I never thought I’d write).
A much more complicated question is, does Lucifer believe he cares for Sam. To that, I actually say yes. (As much as an angel can care for his Vessel.) I do believe Lucifer thinks he cares. I also think that Lucifer has fallen into the very dangerous trap that comes with desiring someone/something without actually knowing them. He has an idea of kinship, of similarity, of understanding in his head that has very little to do with who Sam actually is. He has come to care a great deal for the idea of Sam, but as the armor that was made for him to utilise as a weapon; not for the person Sam. In fact, Lucifer’s repeatedly expressed disgust for humans only further suggests that it is Sam’s usability and not his humanity that makes him desired.
Secondly, before addressing Zachariah, I want to answer your bonus bonus question about Michael, because I truly don’t see that much of a difference between him and Lucifer when it comes to obtaining their Vessels.
Where Lucifer is the seducer who creates desire in Sam, Michael is the loyal son who believes in duty. Even in Swan Song, when Lucifer offers him peace, he refuses to be anything but a good son who follows orders. With the same inability as Lucifer to understand humans and the concept of free will, I don’t think Michael believes it is necessary for him to come to Dean himself because -like Lucifer with Sam- he has projected himself completely on Dean. I’m convinced Michael doesn’t feel the need to come to Dean himself because he sees Dean as having the same type of blind loyalty he has. (And how wonderful is it that Lucifer’s Vessel is the one who took Dean off the path of blind loyalty towards John). In short, it never occurs to Michael that he would have to convince Dean of doing anything.
Moreover, Michael is a soldier, the general in the upcoming Apocalypse. And a general expects everyone to follow his orders, particularly when said general believes those orders to come from God. So, regardless of any affection he may feel towards his subordinates of animated weapons, what he does is send his lieutenant, Zachariah, to give orders he expects to be followed without question.
But, oh boy, that lieutenant. I have to confess, anon, the level of douchebaggery displayed by Zachariah…I love it, because it is so true to real life. I don’t know what age you are and whether or not you have ever had to deal with middle management, but to me, Zachariah embodies that eager-to-please, kiss-ass douchecanoe of a line-manager that you will inevitably come across in your life so perfectly, it almost makes me uncomfortable.
For Zachariah, the main objective isn’t to secure Dean’s consent; it is to please Michael. Getting Dean to say yes is merely a means to that objective. The end, therefore, will always justify the means to Zachariah. When it comes to perception of those means, though, we again come into very interesting territory.
See, I don’t think Zachariah thinks he lies to Dean. Sure, he lies by omission, but if you look at Heaven as a military organisation preparing for war, I don’t think Zachariah would consider what he does lying. I mean, he is operating on a need-to-know basis and a weapon needs to know very little. Moreover, what Zachariah does is present Dean with outcomes of his actions, which I don’t think he would consider lies. We first meet him in It’s a Terrible Life where he lets Dean live an AU to show him he will always chose life as a hunter once confronted with the supernatural. In The End he does the same, by showing Dean a possible consequence of denying Michael. Considering Dean is a man of action rather than endlessly considering potential outcomes, living those outcomes is actually a very clever way for Zachariah to get him to say yes. And again, it is not so much lying as getting Dean to consider what he would be saying no to.
To wrap up, anon, your question reminded me of why I love Supernatural’s take on angels as much as I do. They are as flawed as humans in their desires, but much more callous about the way they go about it. They go after what they want because they believe they have the moral high-ground for doing so. God ordered it, therefore, whatever they do is justified. The fun and the contradictions start when the angels individual characters come out. In that they are actually more human than they would ever admit.
Right, I hope this addressed at least part of your question, anon. It took a little time to put it together, but I hope it was worth the wait!
Samhain is the damn origin of Halloween. The Celts believe that October 31st was the one night of the year when the veil was the thinnest between the living and the dead, and it was Samhain’s night. I mean, masks were put on to hide from him, sweets left on doorsteps to appease him, faces carved into pumpkins to worship him. He was exorcised centuries ago.
I have to be up at 8 tomorrow but how am I supposed to fall asleep now that I’ve seen this gif again H O W